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posted by: piratekatie (reply) post date: 12.29.05 (8:03 pm) oh well, no privacy, i mean who needs privacy, seriously. lol. sarcasm posted by: riverrat338 (reply) post date: 12.29.05 (10:58 pm) privacy is overrated......*sarcasm* posted by: beautifulgirl (reply) post date: 12.30.05 (3:06 pm) It comes with the job of being president, you are never right. Sadly the country just wants someone to blame, why not a politican? posted by: riverrat338 (reply) post date: 12.30.05 (7:10 pm) it's the easiest position to blame. after all, he IS at the top. posted by: Fer (reply) post date: 01.03.06 (5:04 am) Matt, I know we agree to disagree on "the war on terrorism" in general. Revelations in the past few weeks have disclosed that illegal survellience has been performed on such threats to the Republic as PETA, Critical Mass, and Greenpeace; I'm sure it's their own fault for hating America so much. However, from a political standpoint, Bush does nothing but undermine (the already draconian) USA PATRIOT Act when he orders the NSA to eavesdrop on these groups and others without a court order. The FISA Courts so rarely turn down a government request, they are a virtual rubberstamp, and yet that threshold is too dicey for this administration to risk a "no"? Why not go to Congress, then, even in secret and work together to catch these sinister bad guys? Instead, Bush has chosen to leave behind both the House and Senate, both of which his party firmly controls. Hey, if you can impeach a president for lying about a blowjob, it's a wonder anyone still wants the job. Nonetheless, this smacks of a power grab, one that Congress and the voting public have been content to observe, at least to date. Deliberations on renewal of USAPA this month might be very interesting... or more likely, we'll continue to roll over. This must be the government everyone wants since no one does anything about it (and I have no delusions that Kerry or any Democrat would do things differently). posted by: newbie (reply) post date: 01.03.06 (4:57 pm) I still think he is a monkey... posted by: riverrat338 (reply) post date: 01.03.06 (7:46 pm) Fer: I agree with some of that. In the beginning of the secret surveillance projects, Bush was going through FISA and the courts. Of the initial some 5000 odd requests only ~100-150 were allowed. I think that is when Bush decided to skip the court approval. i don't know enough about the facts on spying on "PETA, et. al. but that behavior IS very much questionable. I also agree that this abuse can happen no matter who becomes president. All you gotta do is change the party name of the targeted suspects or interest groups. THAT is very alarming. posted by: riverrat338 (reply) post date: 01.03.06 (7:52 pm) cont'...however, I do not believe Bush is breaking any laws when it comes to spying on an internationally known terrorist or terror organization and the related parties with whom they communicate. I do not believe Bush cares to listen in on the phone conversations of john q public, myself, or 99.9% of americans. But if someone known to be linked to a terror org. contacts someone in america there needs to be an effort made to know what is discussed. Whether to go through the courts or not is a sticky situation. The paper trail required for authorization through the courts is quite extensive and almost as tedious the bureaucracy in The Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy. posted by: riverrat338 (reply) post date: 01.03.06 (7:57 pm) one more thing. the point i was making was in the beginning he didn't do enough and now he's going too far. If time is of the essence and you never know when an attack is planned you have to act as quick as you can to keep up with those who would harm us. Those people who want to hurt us do not have any civil liberites. thos are the people Bush should watch....not PETA or the teachers' union, or hilary Clinton, or Jo at the P&H. |
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